Sunday, 3 August 2025

Senior Section Committee Meeting Notes 17th July 2025

 

In attendance: Tony Lloyd (TL), David Barlow (DB) Algy Grimes (AG)  Richard Westergreen – Thorne (RWT) Barry Donovan (BD) Jonathan Lean (JL), Nigel Underwood (NU)

 Apologies: Dave Wood (DW)

 Minutes previous

 Agreed

 Matters arising not covered elsewhere on the agenda

 Competition Abandonment Procedure. The final draft will be passed to the General Manager for consideration

 Captain's report (TL)

 On June 20 I had the pleasure of helping unveil the new warm up area to members as Gordon McLeod made videos of myself, Peter Wade and Jackie Lansdown christening the new facility. It’s a landmark moment for the club and one which I will certainly be using to the full.

 The official dedication ceremony of the Morgan Darnell Practice Area takes place on Friday at 5pm when I aim to be there.

 On June 21 all four captains joined forces to take part in a 36 hole Longest Day challenge which raised over £2,000 for the Alzheimer’s Society. I got some gentle ribbing for not doing 54 holes as in previous years but in the middle of a heatwave I found 36 holes more than enough. I am very grateful to everyone who supported us and gave so generously.

 On June 23 I attended the house and social committee when subjects discussed included halfway house facilities, the pool table, clubhouse furniture and the introduction of course marshals which is now being steered by Andy Kirton.

 I was unable to attend the golf committee on June 24 because of other commitments but I was briefed afterwards by the chair Paul Hitchcock who reported to me that the main topic of conversation was around golfing etiquette and how we can improve standards which are perceived to be falling. The matter will be raised at Executive Board level and the golf committee will be bringing forward a proposal for them to consider.

 I am grateful to RWT who attended the Captains Committee on our behalf as the meeting clashed with our away match at Brocket Hall.

 Finally, it was a pleasure to present the prizes at the annual stableford competition, now enhanced with divisional prizes. My thanks go to Nigel for the work he put into this with what may possibly be a record field of 108 entrants.

 The matches continue to go well thanks to Algy and his team of organisers. Thanks also to Barry for keeping on top of the new system of match payments.

 

Treasurer's report (BD)

 The financials position as at 13/7 is a bank balance of £9.7k. This follows a payment from the main club following a full 6 month review with the outsource Finance house. A summary will follow.

 We continue to work with Wendy in smoothing the way of the new processes – particularly for Matches.

 A meeting with AMGL is due next month to ensure their part of the process is working correctly.

 C/Fwd from the last meeting, clarity over non reciprocals is needed as organisers and myself are unaware of contact details for each club.

 No progress yet on the 2026 tour. I have had a first discussion with the agent – so hope to prepare some costings and options soon.

 It was agreed that options for a tour in 2026 will be circulated to members at an appropriate time once further details were available. It is likely to be around the same dates as in 2025 and be and be for two nights.

 No progress on sorting our SUMUP machine. David Barlow has kindly volunteered to demo his machine. Work commitments have unfortunately delayed this.

 Bank Account. No further action on this. Not currently the priority. Costs are £4.25 per month.

 It was agreed that options for a tour in 2026 will be circulated to members at an appropriate time.

 Action Point: The Secretary will follow up reciprocal arrangements with other clubs when contacting them just after our AGM next year so we have clarity prior to the start of the match season.

 Vice Captain's report (DB)

 Nothing to report this month.

 IPC report (RWT)

 Nothing to report.

 Secretary's report (RWT)

 We have gained four new members this past month. One is a current club member and friend of a senior, one a recent new member to the club, one a current member of the club who is retiring and a club member who is reaching 60.

 I have submitted our calendar for 2026 to the Golf Committee who are coordinating the club diary for 2026 which they will be starting in September. I am awaiting confirmation from the Ladies of the dates for the matches with them and Northampton asked if we could play at their course a day earlier than arranged. This means we will not have the annual issue at Northampton of clashing with a club booking for a prom so that we need to eat before we play.

 I circulated amongst the committee where I had got to with The Bedfordshire GC regarding playing them from 2027. We now need to agree amongst us who will lead the next step and arrange for two of them to come across, play a round, and get to meet us. We also need to look again at our provisional 2027 fixture list to see where they could fit in.

 I continue to get a variety of responses from members to the Newsletter each week and it is gratifying to see a big spike in the signing up for competitions straight after it is published. At least some people are reading it!

 Action Point: TL will be our link for contact with The Bedfordshire Golf Club

 Competition Secretary's report (NU)

 Two competitions have taken place since our last meeting. The Annual Stableford Trophy attracted 108 entries. The winner was Michael Etwaroo with an excellent 44 points, Kevin Barbour was second with 41 and Dave Wood third with 40. This competition saw the introduction of “Divisional Prizes”, won by Steve Hobigger, Dave Wood and Michael Etwaroo.

Tuesday 15th July saw the Reg Batson Medal Trophy with a full field of 42. Many found the rigours of medal play, white tees , the JoG course and a stiff breeze very challenging, but a very tight finish resulted, the top four all on 69. Winner on countback was Barry Donovan, second Dominic Murphy and third Peter Jarman. Very unlucky to miss out in fourth was Keith Fuller on the same score.

      Next up we have;

·       Member and Guest Day on July 29th. A full field of 48 pairs with a two tee start on July 29th.  Catering arrangements confirmed with Paula as previously outlined.

·       Senior Captain's Day on August 5th. Full field of 100 with 6 on reserve list. Shotgun start at 9.00. Timings and playing groups will go out later this week after one or two tweaks.

·       The Bailiff Shield on August 19th. 99 entries to date (although I already have 3 or possibly 4 extra starts available) so officially 3 space spare at the moment. There is a reserve list set up too.

Ongoing issues:

·       No progress to report on inclement weather procedure; I am waiting for a quieter time to get Gordon’s ear.

·       Handing in cards has been much improved the last 2 competitions. Intercepting the last 2 matches to finish and wrenching their cards from them makes a huge difference!

·       jogscomps email address……..I may have solved this….

·       With such large numbers do we need to consider, probably for next year now, booking more start times ? We can get through this year on an ad hoc basis.

·       Slow play including  email sent after the Stableford last week.

·       Annual Stableford Trophy. We slipped up by not announcing a one prize only rule BUT ( and I have canvassed quite widely on this) a lot of support for divisional prizes. I propose that, from next year, that competition is played as a divisional competition. There would be an overall winner, obviously, then 1st, 2nd and 3rd in each division. It would mean paying out around £60 extra in prize money depending on prize levels.

(see below)

 

Match Secretary's Report (AG)

 Since our last committee meeting, the Seniors team has played only four matches, securing one win and three defeats. The highlight being a 5.5 to 2.5 win at Northampton, otherwise the losses were 5 – 3 at home to Letchworth, 5 – 1 loss at Brocket Hall and a 6 – 2 loss away at Leighton Buzzard.

 The running totals now stand at Won 7, Lost 9, and One Half, we have taken a downward step with this month’s losses. It is still an issue with the discrepancy in the number of shots we receive compared to our opponents.

 Tranche 4 selections have been made and we have full teams, although one or two matches are close to the required player numbers. Following the appeal for more players there were one or two comments as to why they were not selected after coming forward. The reason was that we actually had just enough and the appeal was in case of withdrawals, then their personal percentage of selections came into being. With Tranche 5 now open until 9th August, there is plenty of time for people to sign up.

 The actual numbers so far being;

Gog Magog – away – 15

Harpenden Common – away – 8

Luffenham Heath – away – 12 (includes two jokers, we didn’t close that option off!)

Millbrook – away – 13

South Beds – away – 12

Bedford & County – home – 10

Let’s hope we can pull the results round a bit, at least with the five away matches at the end we receive their team first, so I will ask the organisers to try to match handicaps where possible to try and even up the shots.

 Trophy Custodian's Report (DW)

 Please accept my apologies for being unable to attend the meeting. I have a previous arrangement to play 3 days at Forest Pines.

 Swap days:

With help from RWT I have put together a spreadsheet of requirements for arrangements for Swap Days. I am working through my list for both clubs and will report back to the committee once I have collated the results.

 I have been in contact with the organisers Robert at Newmarket and Darell at Stoke Rochford. We are in agreement regarding the reciprocal payment of the meals. John O’Gaunt: 2025

 The date and Tee times are booked in the Club Diary and confirmed by Nigel Tarn. Paula has agreed the menu choices for the meal at John O’Gaunt at a cost of £25.00. I have sent the choices to Rob Hicks requesting that he choose one main and one dessert.

The choices are:-

Breakfast:

1.        Bacon roll with tea and coffee

Main Course (choose one):

1.        Chilli with Rice Nachos and Sour Cream

2.        Chicken curry with rice and naan

3.        Trio of sausages with mash caramelised Onion Gravy and seasonal vegetables

Desserts (choose one):

1.        Seasonal crumble

2.        Sticky toffee pudding

3.        Pavlova

 

I await a reply from Rob as to their chosen meal

 

Newmarket: 2025

 The Date and tee times are booked at Newmarket from 10 am to 12.10am. Rob has sent me the Newmarket menu choices at the agreed price of £25.00, as follows:-

Breakfast of Coffee and Bacon Roll

 Sausage and mash

 Cottage pie 

 Chicken and Chorizo in a tomato sauce 

For dessert,

 Brownie

 Sticky toffee pudding. 

 Lemon Roulade 

 

I am minded to go for the Cottage Pie and Sticky Toffee Pudding, bearing in mind the October weather, but am happy to go with the Committee’s majority decision.

 

I have advised Rob that we will be charging our members £28.00 to include cost of prizes – he will be arranging the same for his members with the cost being taken out of their club bar cards. He brought up the subject of staff gratuities and that his committee would not sanction this being taken from the bar cards. I have suggested that gratuities can be collected at the meal min the time-honoured pint glass method. He has agreed with this.

 I have yet to arrange for a club representative to welcome the Newmarket players to John O’Gaunt on the day.

 We should advertise the Swap Day before the end of July in order to ensure we achieve the 40 required players. Nigel has a place-card in the competition diary to open on 20th July at 8am.

 We require a competition entry to be created. We will also require an entry reserve list in the Competition Diary. I will liaise with NU regarding content, calling upon his expertise in this.

The notice should include the following:-

Entrants to let me know if they need a buggy so that I can allocate and team them up to share buggies. (Richard has provisionally booked all buggies at Newmarket). I will ensure that buggies are reserved at JOG.

 E mail me with any dietary requirements and if they are travelling with anyone else so that I can pair them up on the same tee time.

The golf will be a first tee start.

4BBB.

No “Gimmees”

Play off Yellow tees

85% of Course handicap

Prize for winning team.

Prize for nearest the pin x 2

 

Stoke Rochford: 2026

Provisionally in the Club Diary for 5th October 2026.

 RWT has previously invited the club Captain and their swap day organiser to a round of golf at John O Gaunt to set things in motion and to discuss arrangements. I have asked Darrel and Steven Major for their availability. I will arrange the round when I have their response. Following this meeting I will commence with the finer details of the swap day. I still await their reply.

 Trophies:

All trophies are accounted for and are either in the trophy cabinet or residing with their respective competition winners.

 

Seniors Member and Guest Day, July 29th 2025 (NU)

 NU went through the arrangements for the day and clarified key points.

 

Senior Captain's Day Arrangements (DB)

 DB outlined the arrangements for the day and the committee agreed some final points regarding the arrangements.

 Away Day and Past Captains Away Day 2026 (AG)

 AG announced that he had booked Rutland Water Golf Club for the Past Captains Away Day on 4th June 2026 and the same venue for the Away Day on 3rd September 2026.

 AG was thanked for his efforts in making these arrangements.

 Divisional prizes in senior competitions

The trial of divisional prizes in the Annual Stableford was deemed a success but that it needed to be tweaked. The committee agreed that there should be an overall winner, three divisional prizes for each of the three divisions and a one prize rule.

 It was agreed in principle that all GOTY competitions except the 3 clubs and a putter could be expanded in this way.

 Action Point:

NU to bring a proposal to the next meeting. This to include which competitions it would apply to in 2026.

.Calendar 2026

 After discussion it was agreed that a decision on which clubs we pay in 2026 needs to be confirmed by October 2025 and this will be an agenda item for the September meeting.

 Handicaps in Knockouts

A suggestion had been made that participants should play off course handicap difference in Senior Section knockout Competitions. After discussion it was agreed to continue with the current arrangements of full handicap difference.on the course of the day.

 A discussion also took place about shot differentials when males play females in knockouts. There is a calculator for this on IG and the pro shop can also help. It was agreed that this needed to continue to be publicised to members.

 It was also confirmed that the yellow tees on the course of the day would continue to be used in knockouts.

 

AOB

 None

 Dates of Future Meetings

 

Thurs Aug 14

Tues Sep 16

Thurs Oct 16

Thurs Nov 13

Thurs Jan 13 2026

Thurs Feb 3 2026 (AGM)

 

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